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Good artists copy but Great artists steal: Apple Versus Samsung (Picasso or Jobs ? )

Good artists copy but Great artists steal: Apple Versus Samsung (Picasso or Jobs ? )

So let’s get the quote thing straight: It was Picasso that came up with the quote.

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“Good artists copy but Great artists steal” -Picasso

N O T  Steve Jobs. But around the web (and for our category “Forums All Kind of talk)  the geek fight of Apple users Versus Samsung users goes and goes and some seem to know how to handle google and a book better than others (in the quote department).

Picasso truly embodies this quote, as he did in fact “steal” ideas from his colleague, Braque. Though Picasso is probably best known for establishing Cubism, Braque was always a step ahead of Picasso. However, Picasso was much more of a prolific painter than Braque, so Picasso would work through a concept that Braque had come up with much faster than Braque himself. For example, Braque was the first one to begin using faux-bois (fake wood pattern) that was so crucial in the development of synthetic cubism, but it was Picasso who used it to attribute a different meaning to the pattern and further the idea of synthetic cubism. So it is undeniable that Picasso was a savvy artist, to say the least. Not to mention all the African Art that Picasso supposedly invented.

Merely copying isn’t particularly creative work, though it’s useful as training and practice. Being inspired by someone else’s idea to produce something new and different IS creative work, and it may even revolutionalize the “stolen” concept.

But note that there’s a difference between flat-out plagiarizing and meditating very creatively on an earlier artist. See below for a good example of the latter:

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But the fun around the web on this discussion goes on and on :

“Hello.” shut up.. in fact Jobs said “good artists copy, great artists steal” the phrase was not originaly from him, but is the form that he thought.

Some products like ipod are inspired from Braun products , What do you say about?

http://www.cultofmac.com/188753/the-braun-products-that-inspired-apples-iconic-designs-gallery/

Apples copied to app clock a iconic Swiss watch, What do you say about?

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/09/20/swiss-federal-railways-says-apple-copied-its-iconic-railway-clock/

Apple copied too, Its the fact.

Linkhak on 04.30.13 4:38p

 

It’s a matter of degree. First, Apple didn’t “copy” any Braun products. Ive is a student of Ram’s design philosophy; he adheres to Ram’s principles of design and endorses the notion of simplicity as honest design. Rams has praised Ive for his work at Apple, so on that point you’re essentially wrong.

That Apple copied the Swiss clock design (not a watch design) is true, but this is a good illustration of the degree to which Apple may copy and its competitors copy Apple. Apple copied the design for a clock face, which is subsequently licensed. But Samsung copied Apple’s entire UI, and published a 120+ page document dedicated to the task.

We measure things in terms of degree. The degree to which Samsung copied Apple is exceptional, and far above any amount that Apple has ever copied from any company..

bobrovsky on 04.30.13 5:24p

It’s not the case that Samsung has made its products better. The hard work has been done by Google, which has steadily improved Android as a viable iOS competitor. Samsung’s hardware is subpar in many respects: lower quality screens (pentile), lower quality material construction, and so on. Samsung’s software has been universally assessed as poor, and its design language is muddled.

In any event, since Samsung hasn’t ever created or contributed meaningfully to the development of a product category, the comparison between Samsung and Apple is very inappropriate. The issue here is one of degree. Apple has certainly taken an iterative approach, but Apple has been primarily responsible for setting the course of multiple product categories. Conversely, Samsung has undertaken wholesale duplication of Apple’s products without making any iterative improvements.

Unfortunately Apple failed in its attempt to remedy Samsung’s behavior in court, and somewhat surprisingly, Samsung has used the lawsuits to its advantage in the media and in its marketing (including its shady marketing, such as paying students to talk down competitors like HTC and Apple). What is less surprising is that Samsung has been emboldened in its shameful copying, and we should probably expect the trend to continue.

But we can still call a spade a spade. Samsung is a shameless copyist.

bobrovsky on 04.30.13 9:02a

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Arguably the only device that really copied Apple was the Galaxy S with original firmware. It was a shameless iPhone 3GS knock off, looking similar on the inside and outside. Since then though, about the only thing you can call them out for is the TouchWiz launcher and its grids of icons, but even that has been improved vs. the Apple counterpart.

Having owned an iPhone, Windows Phone and many Android phones, it seems clear to me that everyone innovates off everyone else. Samsung might have pushed this rather far, and suffered for it, but let’s not forget that Apple borrowed the slide to unlock from Neonode, nicked the pull-down notifications from Android and appropriated the industrial design from Dieter Rams. They didn’t do any of it first – they were just the first to wrap it all up into a coherent mobile package.

Personally I’d like to see Samsung get away with a slap on the wrist in this one. The court needs to send a message to Apple that they can’t sue their way out of a stagnating product line, and that it’s OK for innovation to build on the work of others. Like Steve Jobs used to say – “good artists copy, great artists steal.”

ref1ux on 04.30.13 9:11a

 

 

“good artists copy, great artists steal.”

Unfortunately this is not what Steve Jobs meant at all. He was referring to designers and product engineers taking inspiring from other facets of life and putting those essences into product designs – not simply taking the work from one company and repackaging it into another company. Good artists copy nature. Great artists steal nature.

Please don’t attribute quotes if you don’t understand what they mean.

And no, Apple didn’t take Xerox’s GUI. If you know the history, you will know that Xerox’s GUI work, while highly innovative, was very incomplete and certainly not consumer-facing. Even if Apple’s GUI was a derivative of Xerox, it iterated to a large extent on it, making the contribution meaningful – in the same way that Windows was a meaningful derivative. What Samsung has done in terms of its software layer is not meaningful in any way.

bobrovsky on 04.30.13 9:40a

 

So Samsung were copying S.Jobs by insisting to copy nature in their Galaxy SIII and Nature UX they have going on. Holy Crap it’s worse than we all thought!

lol.

greatestNothing on 04.30.13 9:42a

 

No, that was just Samsung designers trying to be creative but falling flat. Also drugs.

bobrovsky on 04.30.13 9:43a

 

Wow. There are some misunderstandings here.

1st paragraph: and the Galaxy S2 was a copy too. If you follow the news, you can see they still copy today (example: samsung wallet), it is very frequent.

Apple borrowed the slide to unlock from Neonode

No they didn’t. It is completely different. I still don’t understand how people can think they are the same thing.

nicked the pull-down notifications from Android

… which existed before as a jailbreak tweak.

and appropriated the industrial design from Dieter Rams.

Jony says he’s inspired by Rams’ work. But he didn’t copy anything. The philosophy is the same, not the products. Even if he copied, it would be design elements from totally different products (thermostat, speaker, turntable) that are 40years old! Dieter Rams is honored by Jony’s work.

they were just the first to wrap it all up into a coherent mobile package.

Few new things + implementation of unheard, uninteresting things + good execution and various improvements = new innovative product.
Innovative product + slight changes to make it different (and worse) = shameless copy/Samsung.

Personally I’d like to see Samsung get away with a slap on the wrist in this one.

So HTC, Nokia and Sony continue to struggle and the market becomes a duopoly?
Apple will be fine whatever the result is. The lawsuit is important for the other companies.

The court needs to send a message to Apple that they can’t sue their way out of a stagnating product line

Yeah, please tell me how other companies (Samsung especially) were more innovative than Apple.

Like Steve Jobs used to say – “good artists copy, great artists steal.”

You don’t understand the quote. Please google it. And it’s not from Steve Jobs.

 

“Marketing isn’t the only key to sales, and if they really are just sloppy clones, then /why are people buying them if they cost the same as an iPhone?/

There’s no doubt Samsung borrowed liberally from Apple, especially in the early android days. And likely they deserve to pay (though the outrageous award in this trial is suspect), though they gained more from this trial than any marketing push in terms of mindshare and branding of their Galaxy brand.

IMO they provide a lot of features the competitors within Android don’t, and they aren’t shooting for the same kind of design qualities Apple and HTC are these days, rather they focus on user end features of design. There are some merits, though Samsung is riding partly on google’s design strength by simply being the best marketed and overall consistent android product in terms of branding.”

UtopiaNH on 04.30.13 4:19p

“Samsung phones are cheaper, especially when you factor in storage and repairs.

However, the Galaxy S3 sold millions fewer units than both the iPhone 4S and the iPhone 5.

Samsung spends the most on marketing which is one of the largest drivers of sales.

Also, many people prefer Android to iOS.”

MadMen on 04.30.13 6:11p

 

Read this article: http://www.asymco.com/2012/11/29/the-cost-of-selling-galaxies/

Samsung spends far more than any of its competitors in marketing, promotions, and advertising.

bobrovsky on 04.30.13 6:14p

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You have obviously never had an original idea then I guess. While I think some of the patents are ridiculous and I am a fan of Android, I feel Samsung went completely out of their way to copy, the original Galaxy S looked like a KRF. It is one thing to be inspired by another but something entirely different when they flat out copy down to the finest detail. The original galaxy S was so blatant. It even took icons and superimposed them on a rounded background. Many of these copies unnecessary to compete. It is like Huawei copying Cisco, they even copied the grammatical errors in the manuals.

mola2alex on 04.30.13 5:02p

Samsung wrote a 130+ page report on how to copy the iPhone. There were no such reports presented for any of samsungs other competitors. I can’t believe that people are still trying to deny that Samsung was guilty of this.

jayfehr on 04.30.13 2:06p

As in:
http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/4/30/4285032/apple-and-samsung-set-to-battle-over-damages-this-november
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100226121955AA5dgbh

Do you think Madonna, Cher and Britney fart on stage while dare singing?

Do you think Madonna, Cher and Britney fart on stage while dare singing?

While we hardly would consider it, some  users around the web care enough to create some buzz around the web -enough for us to post it- in the ever demanding category Forums (all kind of talk).

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Regarding Cher we only found a tweet with the words Fart. One thing is certain: Blessed the one who endure a Cher fart as it is the ultimate lifting.

Regarding food definitely Britney rules. But only for this talk only has Cristina Aguilera is a ever evolving  competition who dares to beat Cee  Lo Green very soon ( and not only in the tan department).  And Aguilera just let it hit the fan:

Aguilera stated that she doesn’t like to sit too close to the not-so funky fresh star when they make appearances together.

She told DeGeneres, “(I’m sitting) between Blake and Cee Lo with his gas over there…That’s why I have the fan, you know.”

Afraid she may have upset her pal, Aguilera quickly laughed off her comment and added, “I love you Cee Lo. Don’t be mad. Everybody knows.”


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The web is a weird place and the talks go on and on. We have to mention evidently the proud flabby Adele and Beyonce. These girls rock but they do have an issue in the ever  demanding toned and slim  bodies show biz has accustomed  us all. adele

According to the Daily Star  “Adele is still at the top of the charts because no one can move her!”.. .And Adele didn’t like it.. .so we are not going to shove it down her throat.

But has for farting Britney has an entire territory on her own :

“Based on his former experience as a police officer, Flores said Spears’ farting could be described as a lethal weapon,” said Flores’ attorney, Raimondo Guarez.  “My client has seen cops overcome with the smell from flatulence and he felt that he was assaulted every day by Spears and her farts.”

Doctors confirm that the fumes from Spears’ farts could be deadly to some.  “Yes, they can cause some people to choke and some may even stop breathing.”

Lawyers for Spears have filed a motion saying the allegations are exaggerated.  But, more importantly, they say that Spears has a rare condition – Flatulencia Explotatta – that affects less than 1% if the population.  “She can’t help it. She’s been do the best doctors in the world.  It’s a disease.”

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This is a national tragedy, a beautiful woman like that hampered by a belly full of gas. How would you like to go through life unable to eat chili? Those of you who think it is a laughing matter, shame on you. I have heard that she didn’t shave her head, it was actually burnt off by lighting one of her powerful @$$ explosions. K Fed once stated that it was a Britney lead dutch oven that drove him to divorce. Britney we love you gas or no gas.

Madonna needs a crown has the skinny queen. If it was trauma from her flabby like a virgin days or not, truth is that accordingly to her brother biography the self proclaimed Queen of Pop might have start his diet while performing Like a Virgin for MTV with a “green liquid diarrhea”- we leave the gory details aside. And she never went back! She keep on being as toned and fit until today, putting Brit and Christina to shame with half her age.

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So let’s go to the All kind of Talk:

Resolved Question

Do you think madonna cher and britney fart on stage while dare singing?

i was thinking do you think Madonna Cher Britney ever fart while they are singing

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madonna singing 4 mins
and britney singing gimmie more do u think they ever let one off loudly lol

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I don’t think Cher or Madonna eat enough to produce a fart.

Britney however is a self admitted junk food addict. I’m sure she’s and expert at the “silent but deadly” type.

I would prefer to listen to that anytime. Can’t stand Cher, she will fall to bits soon and Madonna too. I like Britney and she can fart God save the Queen and I would still like her and Amy Winehouse.
Another user: 
They all need to be mic’d up – little mic stands and good quality microphones, shouldn’t miss a single squeak…. Mmmm, diva methane is tops and with the right amount of sphincter control the resultant sound could be quite musical… xx
And the update :
 fergie from Black Eyed Peas pissed herself on stage once.
The pics were all over the media.
This goes on and on. Its the web 



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http://www.hindustantimes.com/Entertainment/Tabloid/Adele-hurt-over-fat-jokes-on-her/Article1-814208.aspx

http://www.funnyordie.com/articles/3bd8f00757/the-12-most-revealing-excerpts-from-the-tell-all-madonna-book

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AifJF0T8PRvdLtdXMg828jOw.Bd.;_ylv=3?qid=20080909063213AARL9O0

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/adam-levine-voice-judges-stopped-farting-in-front-of-christina-aguilera-201212

Is Pop Culture Killing modern Art ?

Is Pop Culture Killing modern Art ?

Philosopher David Novitz has argued that disagreement about the definition of art are rarely the heart of the problem. Rather, “the passionate concerns and interests that humans vest in their social life” are “so much a part of all classificatory disputes about art” (Novitz, 1996). According to Novitz, classificatory disputes are more often disputes about societal values and where society is trying to go than they are about theory proper. For example, when the Daily Mail criticized Hirst’s and Emin’s work by arguing “For 1,000 years art has been one of our great civilizing forces. Today, pickled sheep and soiled beds threaten to make barbarians of us all” they are not advancing a definition or theory about art, but questioning the value of Hirst’s and Emin’s work. In 1998, Arthur Danto, suggested a thought experiment showing that “the status of an artifact as work of art results from the ideas a culture applies to it, rather than its inherent physical or perceptible qualities. Cultural interpretation (an art theory of some kind) is therefore constitutive of an object’s arthood.”

Damien Hirst’s 66ft sculpture of a naked pregnant woman will remain in the seaside town of Ilfracombe in Devon for 20 years. The statue of the woman – named Verity – holding aloft a sword and standing on a base of legal books is meant to be a “modern allegory of truth and justice.”

Damien Hirst’s 66ft sculpture of a naked pregnant woman will remain in the seaside town of Ilfracombe in Devon for 20 years. The statue of the woman – named Verity – holding aloft a sword and standing on a base of legal books is meant to be a “modern allegory of truth and justice.”

A famous American culture critic has announced he is quitting the world of art as he claims it has become obsessed with celebrities and money.

Dave Hickey attacks the contemporary arts scene saying anyone who has ‘read a Batman comic’ can make a career for themselves in art.

The professor and author condemns the ‘tourist mentality’ of the industry, complaining it has led to well-known artists being overestimated.

The 71-year-old arts and culture critic said it has become ‘calcified, self-reverential and a hostage to rich collectors who have no respect for what they are doing’.

Art editors and critics – people like me – have become a courtier class,’ he told The Observer.

‘All we do is wander around the palace and advise very rich people. It’s not worth my time.’

If I go to London, everyone wants to talk about Damien Hirst. I’m just not interested in him. Never have been.’

Mr Hickey said the emergence of arts consultants has led to collectors buying what they have been told is great art, instead of forming their own opinion. excerpt by Sara Malm for the Daily Mail

 


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Is the emperor naked or not ?   We selected some of the comments regarding Mr. Hickey statements 

 

He is so right. I sit on a museum board and it’s distressing how many talented artists, young and old, can’t get representation or make a living wage because galleries are obsessed with either the old and proven or the new and shocking. Art is all about marketing now. And collectors are generally looking for two things: “trophy” pieces by big names and the chance to make an obscene profit selling them at Christies in five years time.

- Sphinx, East Coast, United States, 29/10/2012 13:11

 

Tom Stoppard got it right when he said: ‘Imagination without skill gives us modern art.’ I wish someone in Ilfracombe would either put a dress on Verity (or even better) steal her and melt her down for scrap.

- Bluebell, Durham, 29/10/2012 14:43

 

Alas Mr. Hickey, you are a voice in the wilderness. Turn your head through 360degrees and it will always point in the direction of money making money in the art world. The auction houses, the business men, the investments funds are purveyors, purchasers and drivers of value, first. The fact that they can express some knowlege of provence and history is no more than might be expected of any business’expert’ brought in to manage a business – his primary concern is to get the business to make money, by which he makes his money, and that means hype, exposure and promotion, whatever the product. If the message is strong, the commercial sheep will follow. A never-ending tale.

- ronbow, neath, 29/10/2012 12:01

 

Just an observation, but the only cogent point of this whole article is the hinting at the cyclical nature of art. This generation will breed an avant garde artists who will seek to break the mold and transform art in ways we won’t appreciate until its too late. – Rachel, York, 29/10/2012 11:07 Tosh !

- Alfie Noakes, Stories Of The north, 29/10/2012 11:53

 

It’s Emperor’s new clothes, only the pretentious rich fools invest in conceptual art. The likes of Damien Hirst, Tracey Emin and their galleries are laughing behind their customers backs. Talent requires no explanation. When you see it, you’ll know it.

- Him, Over there, 29/10/2012 9:54

 

He is so right but it is not just art, it seems to apply to everything in society where the stupid and gullible are so easily manipulated and readily parted from their money, anything by Hirst or Emin I would not even wish to display in my garden shed, prentious rubbish fawned over by idiots.

- richiefannee, Woking, United Kingdom, 29/10/2012 8:59

 

How right he is. Tracey Emin’s unmade bed must have been one of the biggest jokes of the art world. There must be zillions of those around the world every morning. The funniest thing about is is that when a cleaning lady tidied it all up and made the bed Tracey Emin was able to ‘recreate’ her work or art in next to no time. That says it all really doesn’t it.

- Me and Himself, Somewhereland, 29/10/2012 8:56

 

I hate how when it popped into Hirst’s inflated head to preserve a shark in formaldehyde, he put an advert out and in no time some brainless cowboy had hunted a shark for him. When the preservation process didn’t work properly, another advert went out and hey-ho another shark was caught and butchered. I endorse every word David Hickey says. Loved the last comment about the art world now resembling the stifling, narrow-minded Paris salon of the 19th century. We need a new movement, led by David Hickey, to break away a la the impressionists and endorse art for its INTRINSIC qualities – with checks on whether any animal – whether a cow or a fly – has been killed in the process and whether children would have nightmares. Google “the institutional theory of art” which is debated in philosophy: when art becomes about money and status at the expense of vision and skill and expression.

- new reality, east anglia, 29/10/2012 8:44

 

I love Damien Hirst, Tracey Emin etc. I also love the classical paintings. It’s just moving with the times. I think the art is in the controversy and the concept. – missy , Essex, Uk, 29/10/2012 07:15 Couldn’t disagree more. Art is part skill and accomplishment, and part communication, using media to provide insight. Modern art is part shock value, and part celebrity guff. They attempt to prove that there can be insight without accomplishment, and as such they lack any credibility. Like when somebody has just demonstrated they are fantastically bad at something, and then try and convince you that the something has no purpose or value – or that doing something badly is somehow clever or ironic. It’s the emperor’s new clothes – and finally the little boy has said what most of us have been thinking for 20 years or more.

- Realist, At the end of tolerance, 29/10/2012 7:40

 

The nature of art is subjective, relates to your perspective and can be perplexing at times; need I say any more?

- josh, Kent UK, 29/10/2012 1:40

It’s not just the rich is it though. People keep buying prints on canvas from high street chains, Ikea and Argos. Paying ridiculous amounts for prints that have been produced tens of thousands of times. A piece of art is for generations to enjoy. It lasts more than a couple of years, it lasts longer than you are planning to live. It frustrates me to see that the general population almost never buys an original piece of art. £200 – £500 is not a big ask from an artist considering the countless hours spent producing the piece. Never mind the countless hours getting to that level. POP culture is killing the art world. Start using your brains people.

- pyrite, York, United Kingdom, 29/10/2012 1:15

 

Who can bear any longer to look at the gurning stupid visages of Hirst and Emin? They exploited the post punk ethos to trick their way into the art world and always look to me like grown up children astounded that they got to steal all the presents and keep them. That Emin votes conservative says all you need to know about the level of narcissism and selfishness we are dealing with here. These artists display the worst traits of Thatchers children; obscene opportunism, a rather gloating projected vanity and at the core of it all: a large helping of nothing that they managed to sell to a herd of fawning pseudo intellectual cattle.

- Paolo, london, 28/10/2012 23:12

Although I do agree contemporary art has become too celebrity obsessed, I rather like much of Hirst’s work personally. Most of it is very much about the fragility of life, a memento mori, as is the Ilfracombe statue. We may not like to be reminded of that, but it[‘s a legitimate role for an artist. For those who say contemporary artists are line managers, you have to realise that every stroke of the great frescoes of the past was usually NOT painted by one person. Prints produced by great painters are actually produced by a team of technicians. It takes an orchestra to play Mozart, a mass of people to produce “Christopher Wren’s” St Paul’s cathedral. Art is’t always one person making one painting.

- Hughie, Hong Kong, 28/10/2012 22:26

 

Look,there is so much looted money out there that has to be laundered,by buying so called modern art you can say you paid whatever price you like to make up.These so called works of art do not have to be valued by anyone,they just have to have a name attached,like hirst or emin.Like the kings new clothes you do not have to prove their value,or merit.

- charlie, herts, 28/10/2012 21:32

 


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As in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-19883351

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2224413/Art-critic-quits-modern-art-self-reverential-industry-focused-celebrities-money.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/damien-hirst-verity-statue-of-pregnant-1368090

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art#Controversies

Dutton, Denis Tribal Art in Encyclopedia of Aesthetics, edited by Michael Kelly (New York: Oxford University Press, 1998).

Danto, Arthur. “Artifact and Art.” In Art/Artifact, edited by Susan Vogel. New York, 1988.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/arts/visualarts/article3601517.ece

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19881524

Best Countries to live in 2013: Immigration Tips for a better life

Best Countries to live in 2013

America, where babies will inherit the large debts of the boomer generation, languishes back in 16th place. Despite their economic dynamism, none of the BRIC countries (Brazil, Russia, India and China) scores impressively. Among the 80 countries covered, Nigeria comes last: it is the worst place for a baby to enter the world in 2013. The Economist explains

 


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As Laza Kekic: director, country forecasting services, Economist Intelligence Unit puts it: Boring is best

Quibblers will, of course, find more holes in all this than there are in a chunk of Swiss cheese. America was helped to the top spot back in 1988 by the inclusion in the ranking of a “philistine factor” (for cultural poverty) and a “yawn index” (the degree to which a country might, despite all its virtues, be irredeemably boring). Switzerland scored terribly on both counts. In the film “The Third Man”, Orson Welles’s character, the rogue Harry Lime, famously says that Italy for 30 years had war, terror and murder under the Borgias but in that time produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance; Switzerland had 500 years of peace and democracy—and produced the cuckoo clock.

However, there is surely a lot to be said for boring stability in today’s (and no doubt tomorrow’s) uncertain times. A description of the methodology is available here: food for debate all the way from Lucerne to Lagos.


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The talk around (all kind of talk) : Scandinavia Versus  America Versus Africa Versus UK Versus Australia

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In Viino Veritas
05:54 AM on 12/14/2012

As a Scandinavian it is both funny, scary and fascinating to listen to the delusion among the vast majority of Americans. You just have a really big army guys and that basically all you have, and that’s not really something to be proud of. You’ve got homeless people in scary numbers and 3 millions people incarcerated a crime-level which is a joke and guns everywhere. The Intelligence Quotient of your citizens is frighteningly low, and the level of religion is ridiculously high – you guys are still in the dark ages in so many fields and the bulk of you are to arrogant and ignorant to even begin to realize it. YOU ARE MONKEYS WITH NUKES. The reason you are against socialism is because you’ve been manipulated to be against it. And don’t even get me started on Fox News. The strategy of your leaders is to keep you stupid enough to not realize the freak-show of your own society – and if it provokes you to hear it from a smug inhabitant of the scientifically measured happiest country on this planet (Denmark) then go to Youtube and check out what a very wise american by the name of George Carlin has to say about the matter. Please wake up soon, it’s unbearable to behold for much longer.

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08:39 AM on 12/14/2012

You miss the truly amazing thing by lumping us all together. Even with 46% of our population tied like the proverbial hand behind our back, we’re still able to do some fairly impressive things. Despite budget cuts and a variety of difficulties, we still put Curiosity on Mars. We may not have the impressive CERN Hadron collider, but we are coming out of a dark and difficult age. Remember when the Soviet Union collapsed and Russia had their downturn and brief resurgence before their own recent misfortunes? That’s actually where the United States is poised. Do we have significant problems to overcome? Sure, but legalizing Marijuana could possibly end incarceration for 1/8th of all of our inmates. Do we have severe financial and diplomatic issues to resolve? Of course, but so does the twice our size European Union and the 4 times our size China. If our waitresses don’t want to be waitresses anymore, at least one of them makes a bakery in her home and starts selling gluten free pies. If a software developer can’t stand going through the normal college process, he founds Microsoft, or Apple, or Facebook. We are monkeys or apes rather, even if 46% of our population doesn’t believe in evolution. But we’re trying to be better, while you’re just trying to push others down. 

In Viino Veritas
07:41 AM on 12/15/2012

…not trying to push you down, but rather to wake you up by a friendly slap in the face. I quite like your answer and I think you have a point. Many great things have come from the U.S. not just greedy corporations but also artists and philosophers. My point is that the Americans in the clip who think the U.S. is the best country to be born in, represents a symptom of the fact that the problem of a superpower is its reluctance to see beyond the tip of its own nose. As a Scandinavian I know a lot about your society. You guys don’t really know anything about ours and the reason that’s a unforgivable flaw is that WE have actually figured out how to make a pretty healthy society – you could learn so much more from us and our socialism than we could from your capitalistic imperialism.

In pretty much every list of national traits the Scandinavian countries beat the shit out of the U.S. We have the lowest level of corruption, highest levels of education. We even beat you asses on your own turf of the American dream: social mobility – because we have free education, and are even paid to go to school. We’re the happiest most secure most open, most equal societies of the world.

Try for a minute to imagine observing the American society from the scope of these countries. Try to really imagine how that must feel.

emigration2
givemlharry
06:12 AM on 12/01/2012

I live in Africa. When people say they want to go to America, I tell them they wold be better off going to Canada or any of the Northern European contries or New Zealand or Australia. This study bares out my advice in the past.

America is not the land of opportunity it was in the past. It has been on a slippery slope for the last 30 years and I don’t see that changing any time soon, if ever. If I was 27 instead of 67 I would immigrate. Even with all the problems Africa has, the quality of my life on my limited income is far better here than it could be back home in the US. I just wish I had done it years ago.

James Hoard
05:49 AM on 12/01/2012
Just returned to Australia recently, after living in the UK for 30 years. This is largely subjective survey. People in the UK criticise and complain because they think that is the way to improve things in society, hold politicians to account, etc. In Oz you do that and everybody accuses you of being unpatriotic or ‘running the country down’. Surprise, surprise, all the answers to a survey are optimistic. In the UK even the poorest person in the land will be living in a house built of brick, with a tiled roof and all the electricity wires, telephone, etc delivered to that house underground. Here, they are still building houses from wood with tin roofs. They burn to a cinder at the drop of a light, or blow away in a small gust of wind. Poles and wires litter the townscapes everywhere. In Europe or the UK, tin and wood are good only for beach huts and garden sheds. The country is actually far less democratic than the UK. Looking at what a public transport ticket inspector can do makes one shudder. Tenants rights, property rights, health provision, education, broadcasting, consumer protection – all much inferior to the UK and Europe. 5-10 years behind the times in most things and 30-100 more expensive. Ask them what is so good about Australia, everyone tells you how great the beaches are. Alas, Australia is actually in the opposite direction.
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emigration1

There are other indexes which the US does quite well on. If I choose the UN’s Human Development Index, for example, the US ranks 4th:

http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/

In the Legatum Prosperity Index, the US ranks 12th (10th in 2011)

http://www.prosperity.com/Ranking.aspx

(Population size probably does make a difference – other than the US, the top countries in rankings like these are predominantly smaller countries).

And if the US is in such decline, why does it continue to be BY FAR the most preferred destination for those who wish to permanently migrate from their home countries?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/153992/150-million-adults-worldwide-migrate.aspx

23% of those surveyed wished to migrate to the US, with the next highest being the UK with a mere 7%.

I certainly don’t think the US is “the best in all things,” and I think there are a lot of great places to live in the world – but its stupid to claim that life in the US is so comparatively horrible.

As in
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/28/worlds-best-countries_n_2205270.html
http://www.economist.com/news/21566430-where-be-born-2013-lottery-life?fsrc=scn/tw/te/tr/thelotteryoflife


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